From the labor 39 contract – Highway;
L.O.T. = Laborer/Operator/Truck driver.
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July 1, 2016
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Class
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Step 1
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Step 2
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Step 3
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Step 4
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Foreman
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H8
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$20.24
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$21.86
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Mechanic
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H6
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$20.45
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$21.48
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$22.49
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Asst., Mechanic
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H4
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$14.54
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$16.28
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$18.03
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$20.35
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L.O.T
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H2
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$14.09
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$15.74
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$17.39
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$19.70
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July 1, 2017
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Class
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Step 1
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Step 2
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Step 3
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Step 4
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Foreman
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H8
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$20.64
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$22.30
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Mechanic
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H6
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$20.85
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$21.91
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$22.94
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Asst., Mechanic
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H4
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$14.84
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$16.61
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$18.39
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$20.76
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L.O.T
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H2
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$14.37
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$16.06
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$17.73
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$20.09
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July 1, 2018
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Class
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Step 1
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Step 2
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Step 3
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Foreman
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H8
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$21.06
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$23.21
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Mechanic
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H6
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$21.27
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$22.35
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$23.87
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Asst., Mechanic
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H4
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$16.95
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$18.76
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$21.61
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L.O.T
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H2
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$16.39
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$18.09
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$20.91
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Beginning July 1, 2018, step 4 will be eliminated and a
new step 3 established. Step 3 will require 130 pay periods and all licenses
for steps 1 & 2 plus a 4G (specialty roadside mower) endorsement.
The above is from the labor contract between the Town of Templeton and highway labor. Why this would be important to know; it affects the fiscal year 2019 budget/expense plan that will ultimately be brought forward. This contract along with others that will be highlighted later, have an effect on expenses as it represents monies already spoken for and not available for other things. Pretty much the same effect as long term debt, as contracts do represent debt of the Town in the form of a promissory note, so to speak. (This is my opinion on that subject) The contract can be found on Templeton town website, under boards and committees - selectmen - contracts/agreements. You have to look for them.
posted by Jeff Bennett
Holy shit!
ReplyDeleteSo in 2017 they seem to be getting a 2% raise then in 2018 they are getting a 16% raise...................what the hell? What the hell are we doing?
argh.........
To Bob M
ReplyDeleteIn the FY17 budget the police got 11% increase in their budget
To Anon,
ReplyDeleteOld Chief got a 10% raise year he retired.................Our new Cheif got a 5 year contract. Our TA got a $30,000, because, He said he was underpaid. I say He's underperformed!
So in 2017 they seem to be getting a 2% raise, that part you have right Bob.
ReplyDeleteThat is the only part.
The raise for the step change 2018 was to be 2% if not all licenses and an extra 2% if complete licenses.
You need help with more licenses you pay for them.
Police 11% reflects longer time employees say they increase in steps also.
I think the old chiefs last year was when Jeffy pulled a Wilder and quit on the voters who elected him. You know like his buddy Kenny Robinson stopped showing up for meetings. I don't blame him after the job lawrence did on him at the tax title meeting.
Your welcome.
If there was a 16% i would gladly take it the way we blow money for town halls and settlements for unjust firings and i could go on but you get my drift.
Other towns pay much much more just ask a Selectman or two.
So how do we pay for the extra money needed for dispatch labor now?
Advisory emergency funds are not for wages, You know like Bob Columbus needed for Carol Skelton. Before she got her settlement for the mistakes made by the BOS.
David,
DeleteL.O.T. level H2 goes from $14.09 to $16.39 which is a 16% increase. But the change from 2017-2018 is only a 10% increase for the same position. It is a 16% increase over this year.
No new licenses are required for the same position. I could care less what other communities pay. Go work for them. The idea that we need to pay what other towns pay is asinine.
No response from the "Select" board regarding how to pay dispatcher wages.
ReplyDeleteThis kind of makes my Social Security .03% increase look very sad. I wonder what the other elderly people in this town would think, if they knew this ? No planning went into these increases. Markel handed out what he wanted to, knowing there was no money in the budget, but did it anyway. These kinds of deals have gone on and on, and I am willing to bet will not stop. The "its' in the past," is a cop out along with "I take responsibility", for what ever. Does that make the boo boo, alright ?? I guess the people we have hired to do right for the people of this town think so ! Just because someone went to school to be a doctor, lawyer or TA, does not mean they graduated at the top of their class. The bottom line, is that it is easy to spend someone else's money, and you cannot squeeze a nickel to make it a dime, no matter how hard you try. Bev
DeleteBob, You must be taking lessons from Boy JEFFY.
ReplyDelete1st how many step people get a 16% raise? = zero
2nd how much higher will the highway budget get for the increases?
3rd do you ask any questions before the fingers get going or are you just like JEFFY?
Confusion is sometimes self motivated and if questions were asked that could be less.
The town side of negotiations requested the step changes as they could not find licensed people willing to work for the step 1 rate.
The town chose to drop step 1 and have only 3 steps to make the hiring process possible.
The town has no step 1 or step 2 employees now. We are all at step 3+4.
The town has no requirement for a mower 4g to have step 4 now.
The town needed all in the step 4 to have a 4g mower license to get the new step 3.
If the step 4 people now without the licenses don't feel they want to have it they don't st a 2% extra and revert back to a step 2. They will only get the 2% raise.
So now that AC knows about the revenue needed for the future start they should start the override process sooner rather than later. Looking at the school budget the use of the 400k+ E+D fund money to make the expansion budget work it should be around the 750K amount. That will welp cover the costs of the settlements Templeton will need to pay out for more problems created by it's government doings.
Keep up the good work and we'll see what happens next.
Any employees who are red lined and don't or can't get the licenses are only granted the 2% over the red line amount.
If you boys are going to post things you should know what the hell your writing about. Don't you think?
I do think what this blog is for. So people can learn what they do not know. I do not know everything and neither do you. The fact that people care about the town they live in is a blessing. Without people asking questions, you know what goes on and on. Now with the DOR watching, hopefully, our and TA and BOS have to ride between the lines. Bev.
DeleteDavid,
DeleteOK, so I'm looking at the chart above. It shows a L.O.T Class H2, Step 1 as being paid $14.09 now, correct?
In 2018 a L.O.T Class H2 Step 1 is being paid $16.39 or 16% more than in 2016.
I understand your point, but are you denying that if the town made a new hire at step one in 2018 it would cost the town 16% more than we would pay now?
Just because we dont have one doesn't mean we should raise that rate by an unreasonable amount yr over yr.
I appreciate the information regarding the "actual" present day effect, but the point is the potential for increased costs for same work is written in.
dave
Deletehow come your on this blog during work hours ??
So is it that anyone who was a step 4 in 2017 is now a step 3 (4% raise) in 2018 and anyone who is step 3 in 2017 is a step 2 in (2% raise) in 2018 unless a step 3 person in 2017 has all the licenses then they stay a step 3 and get a 18% raise or do they drop to a step 2? I have no problem with people making a living wage just trying to understand this.
ReplyDeleteAnon,
ReplyDeleteI have no people with making an honest wage. I just dont think these 5,10,15+% raises are realistic. I also think all "employee expenses" need to be considered in the "package". If a town employee gets a 4% raise at $20.00. It's 80 cents an hour and slightly ahead of inflation. Now if the town is also responsible for say, 75% of employee healthcare with the average family plan in 2013 being $15,775 or so. If this plan goes up 8%, well thats another 45 cents an hour. Now we are up to $1.25 an hour which is a 6.25% raise, +,+,+............
to Dave Smart
ReplyDeleteAs A town employee you should know that the AC does not issue warrant articles for overrides that is the job of the selectmen
Hey Dave,
ReplyDeleteI'm just "having a day" dont take it personal. I've been reading, trying to figure out which by-laws, ethics issues, legal issues we face in this town to straighten things out. Maybe none, maybe some, but when you start to look you start to feel the entire "town structure" is based on hit or miss actions with little or no regard for , well, much.
Dave, If I'm wrong , I'm wrong, but the way I see H2 step 1 its a 16% increase from 2016-2018. whether we have one is irrelevant as that can change. Am I wrong????
Should we set a pay for full time TA now even though we dont have one? Should we see what applicants ask for before we offer or limit???
How much could we have paid a qualified full time TA over the past 5 years to avoid what we are sitting on?
I dont have nearly as many answers as questions about all this stuff.
It's what they need to advise them to do for town income.
ReplyDeleteThere are no employees at highway at a step 2. period.
The last employee started at a step 3 and came with the licenses.
That employee quit shortly after 1 year,I believe he left for more money.
Same true of your Police dept. they get trained and go where the money is,that was due to money on the other side of the job market.
Our leadership has been telling us about the wage issues and Markel did some work with that but the people still complain and complain. Highway went 3 years without a raise and i will tell you all we deserve more but are ok with what we got.
The point is to hire at a step 1 or 2 is a non starter for anyone with the qualifications and licenses.
You missed the point of the 2% + 2% being split for 2019 added license for mower requirement and new step3.
Also needed is a forklift endorsement but the town didn't ask us for that in the new step3. I might add during the negotiations we were told one thing and it changed to another. Many items were changed and removed to favor the town and discredit the people who did the negotiation. When i received my copy i compared the new one with the previous three and found the 4 hours i spent on vacation comparing them was lets say a reason to "not trust" the towns negotiators. We won't put names out but i know who they are. You know the old saying trust but verify? That's what i did.
There's a new saying in Templeton it's just "VERIFY"! That's what i'll do.
It took 2 hours to correct the things i found and were all replaced when pointed out to the selectman.
One that would get a chuckle is if the town purchased you prescription safety glasses they would need to stay at work. So we would need to purchase another pair to get home with. Never before in the contract and never talked about at any of multiple negotiation. Mike we get time off like others and was off today.None of this was on a town computer but thanks for assking!
Anonymous12:13 PM
ReplyDeleteSo is it that anyone who was a step 4 in 2017 is now a step 3 (4% raise) in 2018 and anyone who is step 3 in 2017 is a step 2 in (2% raise) in 2018 unless a step 3 person in 2017 has all the licenses then they stay a step 3 and get a 18% raise or do they drop to a step 2? I have no problem with people making a living wage just trying to understand this.
Reply= There are no step changes till the last year of the contract.
step 4 pay july1 2017=$20.09
Step 3 pay july1 2018=$20.91
I don't see how else to spell it out but that is a 4% with the time required and licenses. If you don't get the required licenses your red lined and only get the 2%.
We have all been use to lower pay as municipal employees but the draw was the benefits we were allowed. The towns side of negotiations pushed for the step changes not the union. They were unable to hire at the level of wage we were at on a step1
I'm the last employee at highway who ever worked for the step 1 grade.
All new employees have started at step 2 or step 3.
The point i'd like to share with Bev is the same as Bob shares with the town employees. Go somewhere else.
If you can live cheaper go do it. I doubt you will find it that way.
I use to care about the money end of things and donate my time to the town till the backlash from newbees like the AC has and the way they spew what they know very little about. This blog proves that time and time again.
Any one can question before they get obtuse but when they don't question they are just obtuse. It's hard to comprehend sometimes.
I do not mind paying my taxes, but I do not like the feeling I am getting ripped off. I do appreciate the plow when it comes in the middle of the night, so the fire dept. can make it up to the end of South Road, if there is a fire. All of us have to make ends meet, even the young people. The debt we have signed up for will prove to be our undoing, in my estimation. People making out these contracts have to use common sense, or we all will loose. Bev.
DeleteDavid,
ReplyDeleteHow does the new hoisting regulations effect the licensing requirements since it is a new Municipal restricted license?
one issue I have with the pay scale in this town that we seem to have forgotten about town employees but have no problem giving the school employees everything.
ReplyDeleteDavey, I resigned from the select board in March of 2014 so get over it. I do like how you use that and other things to try to deflect or change the subject. That said, please tell us what part of the tables from the labor contract that is posted on Templeton website is not correct. That is exactly how it is presented there. If you read real close, you see that with licenses come higher pay and who pays for those licenses for Templeton Highway employees? Also at the last selectmen meeting, the selectmen and town administrator all stated the paid time off and benefits packages afforded Templeton town employees is very generous. The interesting thing to see is if Templeton health insurance is pre tax or post tax deduction for the employee share. As for it being cheap to live in Templeton, well, wait a couple years and get back to me. Also if an override were passed, it would mean it is a little more expensive to live in Templeton. No override until the superior board can put forward a spending plan that is balanced and does not require any supplemental add-ons or adjustments in the fall. That would be a plan presented in May requires no further money or transfers for the year. Do that for three years in a row and then ask for an override of one million dollars. Right now, one dollar raises $597,000.00. That was the latest figure from the Assessors back in February and should not have changed yet. Ya'll do the math. Next topic will be snow & ice deficit and town fuel. Buying a truck on the old charge it fund, the special fund that only highway has. So again, what part of the above tables concerning highway pay scales was or is incorrect?
ReplyDeleteI don't repeat like A jeffy would or does. Above you have and can read multi time if needed to get the real take on the scales. We pay for the test and if we are successful and pass we get reimbursed. We go test like all others in the state on our time and our dime.But you knew that too. Or should have.So require all the licenses needed and pay the employees for the hard work they do. That's what has happened and will continue to happen. Funny how the now Advisory Jeffy makes Jeffy swap sides after the quit job he pulled on the town.
ReplyDeleteTell us Jeffy was the Used Henderson plow you procured purchased with snow and ice?
Before you quit that is and turned against the Highway dept, and your buddy Bud.
You know with the charge card you spew about now.
Chuckle Chuckle!!!
Shouldn't you attack the Anonymous post above about the school Jeffy?
Just shows you how you really are not in touch with the times.
Better plan on free cash to balance the budget if you have no other ideas on cash flow. Read the paper Gardner spent the most they ever have for their season.
Free cash will be used to pay it for them.
Wow wonder how much the salt change you wanted would have added to the budget.
I guess i will just have to attend a few AC meetings and report on the progress of the advisement stage of whatever it is on the agenda.
The Blogs seem to be void of any real info on it.
Just cut and paste mostly. Nothing!!!
page 24 of the labor contract states "Expenses for class I class II (now class A or class B) CDL (commercial drivers license) hydraulic licenses (now hoisting license) and renewals used on behalf of the Town in the performance of duty will be reimbursed to Union employees with proof of license or renewal. There will be no reimbursement for class three (class D) license) which is for a car. Since you only test once for a drivers license or hoisting license, unless you let it lapse for more than a year on hoisting licenses, those licenses are paid for by the Town. Question is, do employees go to the registry to renew a CDL on town time? To renew a hoisting license, you need a valid drivers license, a medical card and the fee and then mail it in. Now you must take an additional training course every so often which is either online or a classroom type thing. That too is reimbursed by the Town, according to the contract. note to Davey, I never procured a snow plow (as in buy) for the town. I did vote as a selectmen to allow Bud to spend up to $10,00000 on a snow plow.
ReplyDeleteI did vote as a selectmen to allow Bud to spend up to $10,00000 on a snow plow.
ReplyDeleteWas it with a charge card account?
Was it with a charge card account JEFFY?
ReplyDeleteSnow and Ice funds approved by your BOS?
Sort of the kettle calling the pot black don't you think???
to Dave Smart 4:47PM
ReplyDeleteIt is not the job of the AC to advise the selectmen. The AC job is to advise the votes /town people. Looked it up and that is what it is
I think sitting at many Selectman meeting hearing the advisory members tell the BOS what they have for options would show they take advisement and give advisement.
ReplyDeleteIt goes both ways "unless it's not popular to do so and elections/re-elections are near by the rumors of any override will sink any re-election.
I guess i could remember the next time when at a selectman meeting and some advise is thrown around it would be ok to remind the AC function as it's shown above.
JEFFY!Sort of the kettle calling the pot black don't you think???