Wednesday, March 7, 2018

With some talk of an increase in school assessment for Templeton and perhaps an override (tax increase) to support that possible increase, it should be noted that there are two members who make up the Narragansett Regional School District.

One member has always paid it's required minimum local contribution, one member has always paid it's target local contribution, in fact, this member has always paid more than required, not including any other tax overrides. This can be confirmed by looking at Town records (annual Town reports), district paper work and information from the department of elementary and secondary education, which is available online. This member also has shown it's continued support of the schools and especially the children by way of agreeing to fund the building of a new elementary school. This member of the Narragansett School district would be Templeton!

Despite the fact that some Templeton residents always question the moves of the district school committee and it's spending of taxpayer dollars, Templeton has always paid it's share. This fact should not be lost in any discussion of a future increase in Templeton's Town assessment to support the school.

If one takes the time to check, either online or through direct contact with the DESE, you should be able to confirm that a minimum local contribution is required and the target local contribution need to be met as well (by requirement of law?), so the point of this information is to inform anyone interested, that despite claims by some, Templeton has not only met it's required contributions, it has paid more and that is not required by law. Again, this post concerns Templeton because that is the Town that concerns me. It also apparently concerned another Town resident who took the time to research this subject and prove it true. The Town resident also managed to get the then superintendent of the district to acknowledge that the information was true. For some reason, the resident was unable to get it published in The Gardner News, even after several attempts to do so.

Templeton provided more dollars than required to support the schools and additionally providing more dollars to build a new elementary school. Too often said that Templeton residents do not support the schools because they fail to provide even the minimum required dollars and that is simply not correct.

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  1. Anonymous8:37 AM

    I’m sorry has the other town not paid it’s fair share ?
    By LAW I do believe Templeton MUST pay its fair share correct ?

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  2. As far as the Regional School budget (1) spend more out of local resources to provide a basic educational program or (2) be satisfied with more limited educational offerings . I don’t believe one Town is willing to have a 30:1 student ratio ( I’m not ) it’s horrible as it is right now .

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    1. Look at the DESE site and you'll see the ratio is 15:1 in the district.

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  3. Anonymous9:49 AM

    ^ perfect example perhaps of why Templeton is so UPSIDE down and late to the game .
    1. DESA # is 2015/2016 as provided by you of 15:1
    2. THE DISTRICT BUDGET LET GO teachers ...
    3. NEW ACCURATE numbers given by DR C at meeting of 2/28/18 @ approx 1:10min in YOUTUBE TCTV
    >>>> 29 for 5th grade 30:1 6th grade 21 7th and. 24 for 8th grade
    4 teachers for 5th. 4 teachers for 6th. 5 teachers for 7th and 5 teachers for 8th. As it stands currently

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  4. Ooh , yup more math teachers needed at any rate English too ! Thanks Anon 9:49

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  5. Perfect example of misrepresenting the numbers. How many teachers did they let go?

    The district has 90-91 teachers listed on the dese site. They cut a couple teachers not 45 as would be required for your numbers.

    The teacher breakdown as you show is a management issue, scheduling issue, staffing issue, not necessarily a funding issue.
    If as you state the breakdown was now in the 30:1 range with 1438 students we would only require 48 teachers.
    Even if the school had lost 10 teachers. 80 teachers for 1438 students is a 18:1 ratio.

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  6. You have to ask yourself a couple of questions here. if the schools are averaging 25 students per class now what are the teachers doing?

    1438 students
    25 per class
    58 teachers busy

    That leaves 32 teachers not holding class each period of the day. Thats 36% of the staff with an average salary of $63,000+ not being included in the operating numbers for classroom counts.

    With the information I presently have I believe the biggest issue is the 65 kids we receive from school choice above the number we send. From what I know now it seems this system could only work correctly if the amount of sending and received kids was equal. As I see it now we are creating a hole in out budget of about $7,000 per received school choice child. We send 136 and receive 201. Thats 65 students coming to our school with a maximum of $5,000 in funding when we pay well over $13,000 per student.



    My thinking right now is we should require the school to limit school choice so the number of received student is less than or equal to the sent students.

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  7. Good lord . Hey why didn’t the Advisory people challenge that number ? Scheduling ? Had no idea that school had 2nd and 3rd shifts - good to know. So wait how are you counting “ teachers “. What exactly is you professional criteria for certification or do you include janitors and others in your calculation.
    Again more math teachers please

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    1. DESE website numbers............. but please keep peddling the hysteria, misinformation its really helpful

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    2. Anonymous10:24 AM

      Why didn't the BOS question the numbers? Why did Selectman Fortes praise the school and fully support whatever they throw at him? Maybe because he doesn't pay taxes in town?

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    3. Hysteria ? That’s hysterical . Those are certitudes numbers for 2017 -2018 .

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    4. Maybe the board of selectman believe numbers provided for them by Dr C .

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    5. Believe the numbers or not, we cannot afford this level of increase

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  8. Anonymous10:29 AM

    Oh my “ You have to ask yourself a couple of questions here. if the schools are averaging 25 students per class now what are the teachers doing?” Says Bob ( advisory board and Templeton resident )
    If I was a teacher ....I would stare out the window and thinking about why they work in this town then ask my family to perhaps reconsider moving to a town that can get their act together.
    Perhaps Bob you should ask those teachers in an open meeting “ what are the teachers doing ... it’s it a scheduling “
    Or as Bob is suggesting the 64% of teachers are just hanging out in the parking lot or not sure.

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    1. Anon,
      Such a typical reaction.More distortion, exaggeration and downright lies cause you points are invalid.

      I never said teachers were hanging out in the parking lot, but not having 36% of your staff participating in workflow is a management issue.

      How can we get our act together with the hysteria you promote. You bring no facts, no solutions just condemning those who are honestly trying to look for a solution.
      You make jokes about taxpayer concerns because you think they are insignificant but yet I see no solution from you other than just give more money.

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  9. What are your solutions Bob?

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  10. Anonymous10:52 AM

    Bob you are suggesting that I ( 10:29 anon ) are
    “ distortion, exaggerations and down right lies “
    You Bob have the microphone and public attention ( on the taxpayers dime I may add ) to say that to the school personal , state , committees and DrC are supplying “erroneous, distortion and down right lies “ at upcoming meetings be it yours or theirs.
    I will look forward to hearing from you - if you cannot attend perhaps you should write a letter and have it placed in the record so that citizens of both communities know how at least 1 member of the Adviosry Committee feels or just an average citizen of our town of Templeton.

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    1. Anon 10:52

      More distortion from you I see. I suppose when you have no facts its all you can do............oh well.

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  11. I for one am done on this blog . I will be paying attention to upcoming meetings . Reading accurate material and reaching out to committee memebers and school officials to verify or knock down “ information “ on this blog.
    Thankyou .

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    1. Point out my inaccuracies...........please. Dont just insinuate they exist.All my info is from State supplied data.

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  12. Gather more information, attend the meetings and make the suggestions I see fit at the time.

    All I see is that without an override we will not have ambulance or COA, Recreation, etc, etc. so we be very detailed in our review.

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    1. I see a lot of pain in “your” budget. Not using up to date information BOb ( 2015-2016 ) not 2017-2018 is something that is again to say the least stupid. But hey ! Bring that up to school committee .... let them Answer that question as to why one should use the most accurate numbers when budgeting.
      Yes, this town faces as presented a $ 120.00 PER a year or $10.00 PER MONTH or $ 2.3076 per DAY ona 200,000 home property tax bill.
      So if the school needs more money as well as that appears to be the case with Templeton perhaps one would not buy say a Mountain DEw or a Dunkin Donuts coffee per day ?
      Just asking Bob

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  13. SEE ,,, my math is wrong,, 120/52 = 2.3 /7= 32 cents PER DAY ... more math teachers

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  14. Thats just to maintain ALS service. That number has nothing to do with the school. The school number would be about the same level on top of that.

    With the present budget and the present school budget the Templeton tax rate will go from $16.72 to about $18.00. Realizing of coarse we have another $1.74 per $1000 waiting in the wings for the new school so our tax rate would truly be $19.74 without any major changes to interest rates.

    Just so you realize. That tiny amount you 64 cents a day equals the entire increase the average SSA recipients received this year. It's not just about the kids..........its the entire community.

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  15. If you are so worried about the SSA or elderly maybe you should speak up for MEALS on WHEELS . I heard no discussion on that when it was brought up.
    Yes, it’s painful . My grandparents live on a small social security check and have used meals on wheels 2 times since moving to a neighboring town and I’m blessed .
    I really like the visual of 64 cents per day for both potential overrides.
    As far as the school yes that’s needed as well and just using “math” that’s close to 19.20 on our tax bill or so and if I’m not mistaken our selectman chair Mr Caplis explained that 2.28-2018 to the School board and selectmen.
    If you all want to shutter the COA, meals on Wheels - “ moth ball everything else “ the town will have their say one way or the other.
    I hope people choose logically.

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  16. I just wanted to say that and do not wish to argue here. I will as the above person wrote, attend meetings , and follow closely to official documents released.

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  17. 64 cents per day ? How much is a meal to the elderly per day on Meals on Wheels ? Just curious . Also I heard that COA money for mart ? Or mark not sure what he said cannot he used as its built in

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    1. Blogger101,

      Are you referring to the conversation when Diane added up all the COA, Recreation funds that didn't hit the total? Carter did mention that the numbers listed included funding from Mart which would not come back to the budget.

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  18. Yes , that what I meant sorry

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  19. Anonymous1:36 PM

    Hope you all realize that not many homes are valued in the 200 g range more the 300 g range
    And with tax rate will be approaching 19.20 range
    Your talking over a 100 dollars a week will be going to taxes out of your pay

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  20. Can you prove that about homes I’m sure that the figure wasn’t based out of thin air .
    Can you also explain how you arrive at 100.00 a week 400.00 a month ? Also if “ many” homes are 300,000 I would assume they have more disposable income.

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    1. It’s 16.72 now as we speak right ?
      16.72x300000 ( your house per se ) = $5016
      Your example same $300,000x19.20= $5760
      That’s a $744 dollar per year
      /12 = $62.00 Per MONTH
      /4 weeks = $15.50
      /7 days = $2.21 dollars per day
      Correct me if I’m wrong I’m no math major

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  21. Anonymous2:12 PM

    Simple math blogger when your taxes are over 5200 a year that 100 bucks a week

    And as for home values I know what mine is worth and there is a ton of better homes in this town so your talking over 300

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    1. We have a very wealthy base then.

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    2. So my math is not right ? I’m sorry I’m trying to learn. The town asked for people young people to learn about their town and that’s what I’m trying to do .

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  22. Anonymous2:19 PM

    There should be a law that if you want to vote and any financial issues you have to prove you pay taxes and have a stake in this game

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  23. Anonymous2:26 PM

    I looked up median houses I found a lot but I will put up this one. I’m no expert on real estate either so ! If I’m wrong I’m sorry
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    Templeton, MA

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    1. Anonymous3:32 PM

      Your probably right on the 200 g as a average but you tell me all those new developments over the years them houses are 300 plus
      It seems the town valuation is a hell of lot more then the current real estate prices

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  24. Mike that is an incredibly ignorant statement. I hope you are not on any board for any Town.

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    1. Would it be any taxes ? Excise ? Sales , meals ?
      I also pay taxes in other forms like Federal income tax - state income tax - gas tax
      All that helps our town does it not ?
      Do you any to portion out how much someone’s worth for a town ?

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    2. Anonymous3:24 PM

      lol guys that got your panties in a bunch there is a lot of people pushing for overrides some on this blog ! that have no financial stake ..

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    3. I don’t get your sense of humor - everyone has a financial stake mike . perhaps not in a property tax bill but in Meals for the elderly , Ambulance and a viable school. Did you go to Narragansett ? Just wondering if they had civics then .

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  25. Anonymous2:35 PM

    May want to add a civics teacher .
    “ In the early history of the U.S., most states allowed only white male adult property owners to vote. Freed slaves could vote in four states. ... These extensions state that voting rights cannot be denied or abridged based on the following: "Race, color, or previous condition of servitude" (15th Amendment, 1870)“ wiki

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    1. Anon 2:35 pm times change. Their are many communities that allow nonresident property owners to vote on local tax issues.
      The argument could be made whats good for the goose. The interest would be high especially in cities Id wager.

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    2. Anonymous3:11 PM

      Oh boy - yes I see that argument from time to time.
      Oh boy - yes I see that argument from time to time.
      That could also mean that all the extremely wealthy people or corporations say who buy property in a town for the sake of this complete hypothetical straw man comment about taxes in our town. They would vote I would assume .. as to protect their wealth and could simply buy all the property in a town and repeal all the property taxes, creating a shelter for assets. Just a thought.

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    3. The idea is that people/families have second homes. MA and Florida as an example. Why shouldn't they be able to vote on local property tax matters if they are being required to pay for them.
      Agree or not it is happening.

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  26. Mike, I understand your concern. I'm not sure about others, but my homes value increased $30,000 this year so my taxes have already gone up $550.00.

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    1. That’s a big jump may I ask what your valuation is now and before ?

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    2. $231,000 to $261,000

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    3. Feel for the 2 family owners in town. Their valuations went up an average of 31% this year. Single families at 4.2%.

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  27. Also I asked a question earlier if I was wrong about prop tax math and no one addresses that

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  28. I’m just thinking to myself. I wonder if when they ask the younger generation to be engaged what that really means as far as information being requested and accountability.

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  29. Anonymous3:44 PM

    Blogger101: 2:32pm no federal or gas tax is seen by any town or city. i guess you missed that class lol

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  30. Anonymous3:54 PM

    I did ? So you have gotten no money from state highway or say bridge money from our state taxes on gasoline or the federal money ? Are you sure ? “ 1.5 cents for regional road and bridge projects, and 1.5 cents to increase funding for regional transit authorities. “ MASS DOR

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  31. I think that person is wrong about the gasoline tax . Its used and is being considered again right now by the Trump people to raise it significantly as well as tolls to pay for infrastructure projects

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  32. anonymous 3:54 why are you laughing at me for posing a question ?

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  33. Anonymous4:54 PM

    Insert cricket noise here .

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  34. Anonymous4:54 PM

    My tax payment went from oct 1379.71 to Jan 1729.54 Now does it go by January to January or July to July

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  35. Tax bills went out 2 days prior to Christmas......

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    1. Anonymous5:17 PM

      then it goes jan to jan 4 payments I hope not 1700 bucks 4 times omg I never payed attention to much the bank took care of it but now that the house will be paid off next month i have to budget money weekly time for a abatement

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  36. Anonymous5:38 PM

    See right here with mike is why education is needed - mike are you the same mike as ABOVE TODAY or the mike who said last week his bills went up 186.00 a month and Bob tried to explain reasons why ( as in not tax related ) ?
    Glad I don’t drink.

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    1. Anonymous6:50 PM

      it is tax related hello

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    2. Anonymous7:01 PM

      my tax payment in October was 1379.71 then the next tax payment in january is 1729.54 how come so much of a jump ????

      which leaves a deficit in escrow of 349.83 that is when my bank raised my payments up 186 bucks to make up the difference i do not know how you can say its not tax related

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    3. Anonymous7:15 PM

      Hello , yes you really should call your bank.

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  37. Anonymous5:39 PM

    Insert calculator here ——->

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  38. Good reference Anon. That $186 was an Escrow adjustment. Anyone who pays a PITI mortgage will be feeling the escrow adjustment if the override passes.

    We have to do something, but effectively increasing the tax rate $3.00 in 2 years is steep. Remember in 2019 the $1.74 for the school comes into play. Thats basically wiping out 1 weeks average pay. Not exactly a small ask for many people.

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  39. Anonymous6:36 PM

    It’s not, it’s not at all but as I watch this unfold it becomes clear that our leaders will be tested. I believe this time may be different . Templeton like Mass as a whole is doing fairly well over all - not the case 2007- 2014 . I feel more confident ... in the majority of people in our leadership positions - we have done an audit as well and have recommendations and the state knows we are on the mend.
    I also believe that we have a chance to get information out this time - utilize the town TV - put up a town FB page expaining the budget perhaps. Add some graphs make it a comparison to like the woman or man said today which I liked as well * a per day / week cost . Try because this town our town will be here next year doing this again piece meal as they say. Just a few thoughts

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  40. Information regarding the entire issue would be ideal. I've heard nothing regarding what is planned if the Town voted down the ALS override. We are shown what this costs, but need more info to make an educated not predetermined decision.
    If we need to hire an outside ambulance firm, what will it cost? What happens to the firefighter/emt's

    I agree that a write up similar to what Eric did for the Meals tax would be good. It breaks items down into easily understandable "keep it simple stupid" type numbers which I think are best. It make the numbers relatable.

    I also think when the actual number is finalized the potential override for the school needs the same exact thing. An honest understanding of what will take place and the numbers to show it. No fear mongering, no exaggeration. Just the facts

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  41. PS to all Administration members, please dont drag out kids and line them up at town meeting. Thats politics to push an agenda. Let the issue stand or fall on its merit.

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  42. Anonymous7:05 PM

    Bob , I agree and you seem like a man who can be resonabale and considerate and I appreciate that ....( I am the anon 6:36p ) to ANON 6:48 pm you are exactly what is NOT helpful. Maybe you can get together with one of those mikes and start a group.

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    1. I dont always succeed but I try to be fair. I'm not sure I agree with your confidence on either issue. Templeton record for passing overrides is 20%. Whether that is presentation or wallets we'll see I guess.

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    2. Anonymous7:52 PM

      Understood , aware and appreciated again . Thankyou for allowing this debate . Take care be safe

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  43. I’m glad people are at least talking. Thankyou I appreciate this a lot . Now out to shovel stay safe !

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  44. For anon. 2:26. Add another house to the foreclosed house list. A house on South Road listed today under Legal Notices. What I have found is that new people do not under stand the difference between a debt exclusion and a override. They do not understand how town government works. People buy more house they can afford, and come into the Assessors Office all upset. This is a big problem ! If you do not believe me, go see our Assessor. She will tell you the same thing.

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  45. Anonymous6:03 AM

    Good morning Bev , yes I agree hence my argument for more education. If you are over 18 able to sign a contract and negotiate with a banking institution, real estate agent , general contractors etc etc - as they say PERSONSAL RESPONSIBILITY- I have O children using this school have never had any USING THIS school and yes own a home and vehicle and shop local if I can.
    Your argument is more of a overall critique if I may say of our society today. I would argue that it is a collective experiment that is failing and needs to be corrected on the local grass roots level. Templeton as a small community has a excellent opportunity to do just that.

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  46. Anonymous6:06 AM

    Now we get to see our ace dirt-scattering crew in action!

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  47. Anonymous6:35 AM

    Hire some intelligent people - again education again .. and invest in the town - bootstraps

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    1. Anonymous7:04 AM

      You have the right idea and ALL that has been done in the past only to be negated by shady shenanigans by those in charge, they were there for themselves and took away the option of having a skilled and professional system.
      It still happens and many like myself are just sick of watching it and seeing nothing done to those responsible. In Templeton, your vote Does Not count.

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  48. Anonymous7:16 AM

    7:04 I hope you are not a town official in an capacity. That is a statement is antithetical to democracy and is the reason “we” are in this mess collectively both locally and Nationally.
    What do you propose for moving forward ?
    Of all the factors of the demise of this town and others both bigger and smaller are the lack of leadership. This town is no different than thousands of others across this country. People can either listen, open a dialogue, debate with accurate facts , move a motion , vote by consensus, more forward or just stand there and complain.
    It’s easier to be an art critic than an artist

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  49. Anonymous7:34 AM

    Not an official,
    Just a lifelong resident burnt out after years of getting nowhere.
    I commend you for stepping up and hope the new interest in the town might finally change things.

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  50. Anonymous7:56 AM

    Well I thankyou and you by contributing to the dialogue are stepping up yourself is crucial. This will be a painful process and no one will be untouched by the decisions. For those who feel passionately about the elderly services, towns employees or school depts to advocate for themselves based on the merits. Think about those people who are against your argument as well and their best interests. Leave everything on the field.

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  51. Anonymous8:15 AM

    I wounder how many employees a town has that is a similar size as templeton ??

    How many employees does a school district have that is a similar size to NRHS

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    1. Anonymous11:58 AM

      2/21/2018 advisory meeting - that very discussion was brought up ? Were you at that meeting perhaps ?

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    2. I see that meeting on YOUTUBE i will watch that one. Thankyou 11:58

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    3. https://www.mass.gov/municipal-databank-data-analytics

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  52. Anonymous8:25 AM

    I’m sure one can find that - GOOGLE

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  53. Anonymous8:31 AM

    Anon 8:25 - I’m not sure how or if one can compare. Perhaps you can compare as was mentioned here town population or housing town to town but each town has its own needs ie - more roads, infrastructure more elderly need , more special education needs - epa superfund sites - landfills - maybe a wastewater plant , I’m not sure . Just thinking - it’s easy to compare apple to apple I would assume as those are demographics listed in census materials but look deeper at what is needed by a particular town is a different animal I would assume -

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    1. Anon 7:34, I understand what you say, but not attending a town meeting gives your voice away.I bet people to go, but have seen people mistreated. I will never forget when Dave Bergeron was the moderator. The "school people" at that time were telling at him during the town meeting. He was a old man ! He was devistated, and yes it was his job keep things under control. Mr. Hall has done a pretty good job, but I have seen things that are not so good, at times. Ms. Haley Brooks stopping discussion about the school, comes to mind. This is your town, and your pocket book. Please remember that.

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    2. Anonymous10:44 AM

      I see removing flouride is a main concern . Perhaps more energy should be directed in addressing other concerns in the town just as vigorously.

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    4. They did yell at him ! And I do beg people to go !

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  54. In my opinion, any discussion of comparing towns needs to include debt.
    Compare Templeton to other towns that have lost their bond rating. Start there.

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    1. Whenever a article comes up, people should be given a list of the town's debt, and when it is due to expire. So Mrs. Farrell is right. Those 40 year USDA loans will curl your hair when you see what we spend for interest !

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    2. Anonymous10:47 AM

      Anon101here - do you suggest Templeton invest in 100 yard of Mothballs and throw them in town buildings lock up and wait ? That’s a plan I heard. Sounds great should be wonderful advertising for a giant Mothball corporation to move here.

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    3. Anonymous11:07 AM

      Anon 6:36, I do not agree 100%. When we are short highway workers in the summer when work needs to be done simply because of money, we still have problems. When we do not hire the best person for treasurer, our new lady is not certified, and to the best of my knowledge, still is not, we still have a problem ! When will we learn, and how much more money do we throw away because of bad management ? Why did we keep a person that did not do their job in a position that was critical and not let them go ? If everyone knew this for years, where were our selectmen and T.A.? This goes on way after 2014, so do not kid yourself.

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    4. Anonymous11:40 AM

      These issues are in every town across the country I would assume - people not paying attention - That can be for a variety of reasons some benign some not. Some lack of knowledge some willful ignorance. Some apathy some lack of awareness. Some for reasons.. health , mobility issues idk ?
      But you cannot expect change without discomfort this go around in particular. Looks like Templeton has a lot of soul searching to do. It’s difficult to look into the eyes of people who you say should have “ no vote because they don’t pay taxes “ I would assume people who are living in a nursing home would disagree with that as an example.

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  55. Anonymous10:54 AM

    I was looking at the towns Tax assessments - I got to the letter T and fell over ( glad we have ALS I may need it ) - ** American Tissue —- check out the taxes not paid JUST THAT ONE OLD INDUSTRIAL spot - dead and contaminated land now . These are the issues that were never addressed years and years ago,
    You cannot expect no even ask for those who are trying to move things forward to accept blame for piss poor management back 30 -40 years ago - in fact those people that are to blame for many of this now are advocating not moving forward to try to address these very systemic and deep routed financial and civic issues . Just a thought

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    1. They have not paid the interest either.

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  56. Anonymous11:29 AM

    Right Bev , and left not just Templeton Taxpayers / citizens on the hook but all Taxpayers as this was an EPA project correct me if I’m wrong in the 8,000,000 plus range ? Never mind the loss of real estate value I would assume by those in proximity Most important perhaps the potential health issues realized and those in the future because of it. This brings up why zoning is critical as well not to add to this never ending thread. Thanks to Jeff B for allowing me anyway to vent.

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  57. Anonymous12:04 PM

    https://www.mass.gov/municipal-databank-data-analytics As was discussed in 2- 21-2018 TA meeting ( online ) - the gentleman on the end “ couldn’t forward material “ - I found it user friendly - enjoy

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    1. Anon 12:04,

      Remember, those numbers in the charts are the number reported prior to the audits. I do not believe they have been updated. Not sure how reliable any of that data would be.

      Those type of charts if accurate would be helpful as simple illustrators for Town meeting.

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    2. Anonymous12:33 PM

      Then may I ask what do you feel is reliable if not .gov website information as currently viewed ? What is your basis for anything ?

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    3. The information on that website is only as accurate as the report sent from Templeton in many cases. As we know the numbers prior to the audit are unreliable.

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    4. Anonymous1:01 PM

      As an advisory board member may I suggest you call and verify? You said you don’t believe it to be the case .. at the very least the demographic numbers and tax rate numbers etc are correct yes ?

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    5. Anonymous1:03 PM

      I believe correct me if I’m wrong , those numbers as viewed are correct and represent the completed audits

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    6. I have no answer for you. I was referring to the graphs based on budget, fund balances etc.

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    7. Anonymous1:42 PM

      I would like to have those numbers verified on the DLS as up to date ( audit) and used in a presentation . I don’t think it does a disservice to the town if those graphs are not verified 1st ( used audited numbers ) The prop tax, demo income residents , home valuations, census info may etc is accurate I would have no reason to not believe that.

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  58. Anonymous12:26 PM

    This is per DLS link above : this is 16 years of Templetons Tax rates - this is a user friendly site -
    DOR Code Municipality Fiscal Year Residential Open Space Commercial Industrial Personal Property
    294 Templeton 2003 13.68 0.00 13.68 13.68 13.68
    294 Templeton 2004 11.65 0.00 11.65 11.65 11.65
    294 Templeton 2005 9.91 0.00 9.91 9.91 9.91
    294 Templeton 2006 9.44 0.00 9.44 9.44 9.44
    294 Templeton 2007 8.54 0.00 8.54 8.54 8.54
    294 Templeton 2008 9.20 0.00 9.20 9.20 9.20
    294 Templeton 2009 10.20 0.00 10.20 10.20 10.20
    294 Templeton 2010 11.75 0.00 11.75 11.75 11.75
    294 Templeton 2011 12.55 0.00 12.55 12.55 12.55
    294 Templeton 2012 14.60 0.00 14.60 14.60 14.60
    294 Templeton 2013 14.12 0.00 14.12 14.12 14.12
    294 Templeton 2014 16.24 0.00 16.24 16.24 16.24
    294 Templeton 2015 16.64 0.00 16.64 16.64 16.64
    294 Templeton 2016 16.47 0.00 16.47 16.47 16.47
    294 Templeton 2017 16.12 0.00 16.12 16.12 16.12
    294 Templeton 2018 16.72 0.00 16.72 16.72 16.72
    294 Templeton 2018

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  59. Thankyou for giving that DLS site . Helpful

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  60. https://www.mass.gov/municipal-databank-data-analytics

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  61. Anonymous2:42 PM

    Templeton override ( forever on tax ) or debt exclusion ( one time for debt then falls off ) ) prop 21/2 enacted 1982. 114 proposed 22 passed
    ** ALS service was not passed until 2 years ago
    Templeton needs to : close this $376,000
    Then the NRSD budget anything over $150,000 as that’s what the budget is now allowing .....
    Then Monty Tech asks of you ** I think the TA mumbled out 15 so $15,000
    ***** then he suggested an open town meeting to discuss these issues
    *** everyone said the care but what’s the best course of action.
    Asked why the ALS was put out in the block - TA “ .... that’s where the money is “
    The young man on the selectboard suggested using mothballs and shut down buildings if this ( ALS ) doesn’t pass
    This is a structural issue of $316,000.00 ALS ie funding so each year this will an ask .
    If someone can find money in that budget let me know - thanks
    * This town needs tax revenue or a big lottery ticket win



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    1. FYI

      Read the TA weekly report and you'll see Monty tech came in about $50,000 so about $35,000 higher then anticipated.

      http://www.templeton1.org/sites/templetonma/files/file/file/weekly_report_3.8.18.pdf

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    2. Anonymous3:45 PM

      Not “ budget for “ - it was estimated at 15,000 which was a horrible number to use. You only have so much pie .

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    3. I don’t understand the Monty Tech comment . Can you help me on that ? What’s a bad number ? How many students / money before ?

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  62. Anonymous3:03 PM

    You have until 4-10-2018 .
    Zero based
    Allowed 2.5 % ( property tax )
    Cherry sheet offsets ( regional transportation MART - excise tax if not collected used as examples )
    So - $ 226,000 from prop 21/2
    New Growth $65,000
    UGGA ( unrestricted mass govt aid ) no slotted for any dept
    So roughly $ 340,00

    REDUCE that by reduction in Payment in Lieu taxes ( state reduced money )
    - 30,000
    One time Timber sale - 10,000
    And in compliance with DOR not using projected numbers for ambulance ( like last year ) so that’s -75,000
    Backed out
    Then all your cost drivers were listed
    **** better pass the taxes or this town will be at Rietta Ranch soon.

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  63. Anonymous4:09 PM

    B.S. pass another tax because the idiots running the town screwed up again?
    No fricking way, wewe' stuck with the school, the police station needs to happen, enough is enough.
    We DO NOT need ALS, it is a want that we cannot afford and gamble on at this time. I have a scanner, there is just not enough money making calls to warrant it.

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    1. So glad I tuned in . Great news Templeton ! Anon 4:09 ( no pun ) “ ...I have a scanner ..... there is just not enough calls to warrant it . “. Well maybe this man/woman can dispatch your calls if you need ALS. Just thinking maybe since they know what’s needed at the scene thru their scanner they can double as the school nurse.

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    2. Thanks anon 4:41pm aka anon 4:09 aka scanner … I wasn’t under the impression that an injured citizen would be carted away on a bicycle . Perhaps you were preoccupied with your scanner or medical advice to LISTEN TO THE FIRE CHEIF AND TA and SELECTMEN ( AV committee present as well. *** I hope to Christ you have someone to help you navigate thru life.

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    3. Anonymous6:23 PM

      REALLY!!! YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE ALL THE BS YOUR BEING FED, ITS THE SAME OLD LIES TO GET YOU TO VOTE FOR WHAT THEY WANT, GROW UP

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    4. Anonymous8:33 PM

      HEY!!! , I DONT NEED LARGE FONT TO SEE YOUR COMMENT ANON. 6:23pm AKA 409 AKA SCANNER
      WORK ON CITIZENS PETIONS FOR FLOURIDE REMOVAL THAT SEEMS LIKE A PRODUCTIVE USE OF TIME.

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  64. Anonymous4:11 PM

    I’m anon 3:03 pm I am no financial guru I got all that off THE YOUTUBE or tctv channel on your cable system from the TA budget presentation.

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  65. Anonymous4:15 PM

    Maybe Phillipston will offer Templeton $25,000 per year to give them ALS coverage. These Selectmen would probably jump at that chance.

    They can come to our Templeton Senior Center, but Queen Lake Beach is for Phillipston residents only. Yup, we're getting shafted.

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    1. That one elderly or perhaps disabled person ( per the COA on this blog from a few days ago ) that ventures past your Dunkin’ Donuts and Cumberland over the RR track past the EPA superfund site and barely passable town road has really gotten to you huh ?

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    2. Anonymous4:41 PM

      That’s funny .. and seems to be true which makes it so funny . Thanks I needed a laugh

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    3. I heard Phillipston countered with you can come to the beach but you cannot drive thru our town to go to market basket.

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  66. You sound angry . Why are you blaming Phillipston?

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  67. Anonymous4:23 PM

    If you think you’re getting “shafted “ go to the meeting that th TA mentioned a s discuss where you would like to see money taken from . That’s your right do to.

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  68. Regardless of you position it would be wise to let it be wise to let it be known in the next few weeks. Attend a meeting, write a email, letter. This time of year you can also run for office. Volunteer on a committee.

    Make your voice be known. I love seeing the interaction, questions, concern taking place.

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  69. Thanks Bob , I was surprised to see all this actually and like you wish for all those things as well. Thankyou for doing what you do.

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  70. Village,

    Thanks for participating. We need more ideas from a more diverse group of people to get us moving. As long as people are participating we have a chance.

    We have 23 openings last time I checked on town committees. I believe this is were we really need new faces. We have committed people, but many are filing to many slots. I'm glad someone stepped up, but we really need a wider variety of folks.

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  71. Anonymous5:29 PM

    you all have it wrong. it is about the kids. vote for an override so you can not pay your bills

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    1. Are you scanner ? Aka 409 . If not you should team up .

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  73. Take 2 way to many typos..
    Bob , I so appreciate that and although I cannot at this time join one of those open seats I will be active. I will write , call , email , Text , tweet , go to MMA meetings , legislative functions perhaps and hold signs that I can do.
    I truly appreciate all who step up especially under these circumstances to serve. It cannot be easy to be on camera trying to put all this together making choices on what to say or do that doesn’t offend one dept or person or board. It’s a tremendous thing to ask of a citizen and with that comes tremendous responsibility to the town and all its citizens.
    How treat those that have and require the most are how we are judged. I am not a speaking of any formal religion just Karma I suppose.

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    1. My apologies for all the typos again

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  74. Getting back to the school funding I'll say this. In general I think our education system is entirely to expensive and as set up is destined to fail or destroy their towns/cities/districts.
    That being said I don't think Dr Casavants request of a 2.8% budget request in an of itself is unreasonable. I do however feel it is completely unreasonable when looking at how it is funded. The $20,028,221 budget is roughly funded by around $12 million in state funds. The $8 million dollar balance is the Towns of Templeton/Phillipston.
    The State however pays no increase due to the schools budget request. Those funds are required to be made up by the towns. For Templeton I think it turns out to about a 7% increase. Thats 7% of roughly $7 million dollars. Or Towns entire budget excluding the school is roughly $8.2 million. The town can only raise taxes 2.5%. I know its not exact, but you get the idea by simply saying 7% of $7 million is alot more than 2.5% of $8 million.
    I'm not sure how anyone sees this functioning without some sort of recalculation.
    As I understand it whatever number the schools submits to the town "is" the towns responsibility to cover. The amount of money we are talking about will devastate the present budget presentation of the TA.
    Without support from the townspeople to help get the schools pencil a little sharper I afraid our capital plans, COA, Recreation, employees will all be affected. I say this because we are looking at an override for ALS. We will be looking for an override/exclusion for the Police station and we might need an additional sum for the school.

    I just am not sure how deep people are willing to dig knowing a $26 million Bond is in our near future and still no bond rating.

    We need every option, every dollar........every voice.

    I think every one of these items has merit, doesn't mean we can afford them

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  75. Anonymous6:27 PM

    It has occurred to me That Village Savant is very gullible and will believe everything he is told, especially by the crew on the BOS and TA.
    I hope the hell he isn't the next selectman man

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  76. It occurs to me anon 6:27 aka 409 aka scanner you are very telling in the way you word your childish insults .
    Whom or what should I consult, read exactly for information ? According to you NOT the selectmen ,not the TA , not the DLS , not the school committees. Should I take budget information from you ? Do you believe they are all doing what exactly...fabricating everything ? If you say yes to either of those questions sir/madam just go to the dr and seek medical attention.

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      Lol, you'll see

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    2. Anonymous8:09 AM

      Bob M I agree with your comment in regards to 1. The increase being 2.8 for NRSD being acceptable
      2. This funding mechanism is unsustainable
      3 . Transportation ( busses) biggest chunk I believe ( correct me if I’m wrong on any of this I’m new at it )
      4. Treasurer Bump addresses this in new report
      5. The only thing that will change that is legislative action ie > all citizens lobbying for this reimbursement to towns.

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    3. Yes I saw that video as well ( YOUTUBE TCTV ) February 12, 2018 : selectmen meeting with Senator GOBI

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  77. Despite some of the off track comments, it is a good thing to see some kind of debate on certain subjects and I can say that Templeton selectmen do follow this blog. With 141 comments, and counting, it is also a sad commentary that there is more discussion here than at a selectmen meeting or a Templeton Town Meeting (generally speaking) I hope that some would follow through and attend the meetings and ask the questions or pose the ideas, scenarios etc, posed here. Thank you to all who take the time to read and comment, but please, follow through, check, attend and question. I would suggest looking at Town Meeting at North Andover, MA, truly a moderator who gets it and has and is trying to move town meeting in a direction where more people can be involved. Again, thank you and to anonymous commenter who wrote something on the line of "to advise, not create", well, that has inspired some additional posts for me - thanks.

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  78. Anonymous7:48 AM

    Thankyou Jeff B for allowing this anon to post here ... I agree with a lot here and I second what you said above ( if that helps ) I hope to see more comments, more ideas , more links to numbers and proposals for progress. thanks again for this blog .

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  79. Anonymous10:43 AM

    TAX and Spend is the word not good government that does their jobs effectively

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  80. Anonymous12:21 PM

    let us increase TAXES and have more foreclosures that way the people with kids will move out of town and we will not need as big of a school LOL

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  81. Anonymous12:47 PM

    Are you wearing your tri cornered hat as you type out your thoughts ?

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  82. Anonymous12:58 PM

    Anon 8:09 - should be a piece of cake to increase state funding for education. State government controlled by Democrats. Teacher's Union is in their coalition. All it would take is to put "the children" ahead of hacks, graft, and corruption. That's not too much to ask, is it?

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      Yes, the GOP is doing such a fantastic job now in all 3 branches of the Federal why not apply that same thing here I mean what could go wrong ?? Jesus Christ ! - move to Kansas and increase the IQ of this state.

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  83. Anonymous1:00 PM

    My hat has only one point at the top it is just like the one that the selectmen wear

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      Is that supposed to be funny or reassuring?

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  84. Anonymous1:12 PM

    Anon 1:07 - economy is great under Trump and Republicans. Little Rocket Man has been brought to heel. Best of all, Obama is gone and Hillary is finished. The future is bright, as long as you're here legally.

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    1. Anonymous1:27 PM

      So ! Are you the top bracket ? Because the average person like me got $1.50 a WEEK ....... I would add if everything is so “bright “ , economy is great” then why are things like social services getting cut ? SNAP , EPA for cleanups, Infrastructure ( gov Baker is blasting that GOP proposal )

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  85. Anonymous1:21 PM

    ^ and there you have it - Live from someone’s livingroom perhaps whilst FoX news on full volume - ( DVR recording infowars and Hannity) screaming sirens and graphics about President Hillary and her disgusting affair with a PORN star ( no offense to porn stars ) and CHAOS all over the place ..... ........... ** please support public education **
    Thankyou .

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  86. Anonymous3:13 PM

    You must be pretty useless if all you're going to save is $78 per year. Are you sure that's it?

    We won't need as much SNAP with a growing economy. People can find work, unlike the dismal Obama years.

    Real Superfund sites will be funded. Good news if we cut all the Big Union scams. Asbestos is a fine example.

    People who work are better off.

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  87. Anonymous4:48 PM

    ^ “ I love the poorly educated “ Trump he loves you , and you love him sweet .

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  88. Anonymous5:15 PM

    Anon 4:58 - this is as of 2000 census but gives you information as far as poverty, age etc for TEMPLETON ( next census 2020 ) https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?src=CF
    Next chart is a breakdown of SNAP in 2nd congrsessional district : https://fns-prod.azureedge.net/sites/default/files/ops/Massachusetts_2.pdf. That is his budget his cuts just to that program and how it will affect the elderly , disabled , veterans , children on school lunch there is plenty of non partisan news sources for that.
    Then cuts to infrastructure and transportation instead of the Feds 80 State 20 it’s STATE 80 FEDS 20 that affects us here in Templeton, I know you don’t understand that but I’m hoping someone besides you reads this.
    The irony is of course is that the people who supported him believing that he would help the average joe. Sadly, like the students at Trump U , the contractors he stiffs Bigly in NY , Casinos , any women who he comes in contact with , the Leaders of Earth , and everyone but the 37% who are his base ( I love the poorly educated ) we all are suffering collectively.

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  89. Anonymous5:21 PM

    The funny thing about Lefty Dems, they assume they are better educated than conservatives. But again, they're impressed by their useless BA and MA degrees. Study physics, calculus, any engineering or technology. Then you might actually know something real.

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  90. Anonymous6:17 PM

    “ I love the poorly educated “ Donald J Trump

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    1. I think there could be some education/ discussion if the insults would just stop ! Please nock it off, it does not solve anything. I agree with Jeff, it is good to see people talking.

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  91. I agree Bev I’m glad to see this much talking about issues in our town . But please like Bev said stop the insults . Jokes ok personal insults not needed . My 2 cents anyway .

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