Oh Templeton, first it was all the Towns that Touch (border) Templeton have tax rates at $20.00 per thousand, which if anyone checks, that is simply untrue. Now, Templeton employees are under paid and the offered wage is under market value.
For instance, Templeton highway is $5.00 to $10.00 under market. Well, time to check surrounding towns and see how true that rings.
A quick look at the FY 2019 spending plan shows Templeton highway laborer/operator at an average of $40,000.00 per year.
Executive assistant to Town Administrator;
Hubbardston executive assistant to the Town Administrator - $32,825.00
Templeton executive assistant to Town Administrator - $40,000.00
Winchendon Town Manager executive assistant - $62,000.00
Barre executive assistant to Town Administrator - $33,000.00
(+ / -) employment add on MMA website shows $15.79 per hour.
Templeton appears to be in the middle (average) on this pay scale. I think the benefit side of things should also be looked at - how generous are Templeton health insurance offerings compared to other communities / are the benefits pre-tax or post tax? Makes a difference.
It does look as though the message from the selectmen can be taken as less than transparent. If the statement is (such as regarding tax rate) that all the towns bordering Templeton pay more for a position, please show us the list so we may compare.
Your selectman The Chair specifically has a lack of let’s just say facts on many issues. He also displays his lack of knowledge and presentation on statistics.
ReplyDeleteOne should give him the benifit of doubt however on this. I do beleive that his comment should have been more precise and dilineated to towns with the same infrastructure and services that are currently built in to the towns budget and expectations of ones taxpayers.
So exactly what town has the same anything as Templeton "nuff"
DeleteWhat a large pile of nothing you just said "justsmartenuff".....lol. Take another one!
Geez BOB M what tiny town of < 9000 souls has idk - full water dept and sewer “ treatment “ , Electical Company . A town which was built up for industry by the towns people in hopes of a better future for their children.
ReplyDeleteThen, the unions went - down to N Carolina for cheap wages and less environmental regulations. Then the biggest public health hazard up and left ( Erving ) . Left with all these issues - no one has EVER come up with any ideas to help - NO ONE BOB M .
SO, if I were to look around for a town that fit the horrific infrastructure and lack of community that Templeton has - I would have to look long and hard. The towns that suffer from the same ills as us ... have a larger tax base to pull from, smarter people perhaps to run the town.
Clearly, I have no short term answers to elevate this Towns financial and ethical chasms. But, neither do you.
Hey, you justified Caplis and his statement with.............
ReplyDeleteOne should give him the benifit of doubt however on this. I do beleive that his comment should have been more precise and dilineated to towns with the same infrastructure and services that are currently built in to the towns budget and expectations of ones taxpayers.
Again, you know not what you say. John told me and I quote
" I can and will say this and I will publicly say this as well, the salaries this town has in some of its positions is not even close to market value and I know you can see this. I said this to a long term resident the other day the position of assistant to the TA in every town that touches us is 8.00 more per hour than what Templeton Pays, Highway worker other than Gardner 5.00 to 10.00 less than market with a CDL and other license, Templeton Starts at 16.00 per hour. If I had to guess why let's see I can go on and on but no body gets it. It's all about free today and unfortunately it doesn't work that way. "
So, would you care to elaborate????
Elaborate about what exactly ? Did he write that to you ? Or is that a contemporaneous note ?
ReplyDeleteHe wrote it............email June 27............. Thats the only part I am willing to share as in it He states He would will say it publicly. Feel free to ask John yourself.
ReplyDeleteIt's tiring hearing the same inaccurate excuses for poor management. We aren't loosing key department figures based on salaries........other towns around us aren't over $20.00 and the school is not underfunded, it's overfunded!
Facts matter!
Let’s just take Mr Bennett’s twisted number at the top as just one cherry picked point.
Delete“ The average templeton highway ... $ 40,000 per year “ yes ! But - the people there are ... on step 3 - and short of staff over the years which I assume makes OT a reality .
Then your comment attributed to Mr Caplis “ starts at 16.00 per hr “ CORRECT ! It does ! Actually step 1 is now $16.39 !! Wow !!! I bet the “conversation “ you had with Mr Caplis was pre fy 19 .. just a guess.
http://www.templeton1.org/sites/templetonma/files/file/file/budgetbookfy19-section_4.pdf Pg 101 of pdf
DeleteNope it was yesterday...............lol
DeleteJune 27, 2018 at 10:49 pm That should make it easier to request the public record
Sorry my bad that extra 39 CENTS . Clearly a huge incentive.
Deletehttp://www.templeton1.org/sites/templetonma/files/file/file/highway-sewer_union_contract-local_39-7.1.16-6.30.19.pdf
Delete$16.39-$20.91 for an LOT. The benefits worth up to $26,500
I take it since you are only pushing the Highway spending that you agree with the above comments regarding the Assistant to the TA. That the $8.00 distortion stated by Caplis is wrong.
DeleteWhat do you want them to make BOB M ? You have ideas ? 12.00 and hours ? 15.00 ? Idk ... What’s the worth of a job ? Seems to me you don’t think much at all of people’s jobs/professions do you ?
DeleteDid you speak of them making too much money on TV BOB M ? If you did please place that link here. I would very much like to show that to people.
DeleteOh, and remember. It such a strain to get a raise. The plannned progress from $16.39 to $20.91 is 1 1/2 years-2 1/2 years.
Delete$4.50 raise in a 1 1/2 years.............yup, thats getting underpaid at a rate of about $44,000 a year with $26,000 in benefits..........horrible
Caplis says we cannot get people because of the pay............I've never said they should make less. I just dont think our issue is lack of pay............it's lack of management
DeleteAgain nothing to say about the Administrative Assistants pay...........only truck drivers.........hmmm
DeleteDo you look for me to defend paying the Admin Assistant ? I feel that the pay as is now is commensurate with that position.
DeleteAs I had written here just TODAY BOB M , Mr Caplis is lacking in his presentations and his statistics.
Sorry BOB M you think 40,000-44,000 a year for a perhaps single bread winner in a family is well-
Excessive ... To the point of 26,000 ! Wow BOB M ! That’s a lot maybe your friend TRUMPPERS can lower that insurance cost for the town. I know he’s cutting Medicare ! So that’s good right ?
! great ! You like the pay scales for all the MUNICIPAL people ! That’s fantastic but you’re not supportive of Their PUBLIC unions or their benefits ( health, disability and retirement * if they live long enough ) .,. Square the circle BOB M.
DeleteLOL..............The fact that differentiate $40,000 paid the Assistant Administrator to be fair and $40,000- $44,000 to be for a LOT unfair based on the antiquated idea of single breadwinner is what.......asinine, sexists. Our Administrative assistant can't be a single breadwinner so the $40,000 is sufficient?
DeleteI didn't say I liked anything did I. I said "I've never said they should make less"
DeleteC'mon, so you think everyone should make more except for the Administrative Assistant?
DeleteNo BOB M - God you are stupid ( observation again ) 1 . Your comment is incoherently written 2. What ? Do you want the ADMIN to make what now ? MORE ? The average for that position BOB M is well within the current pay structure now. Regardless of whetherthey are M/W single married - sole breadwinner or just an ambitious person. 3. I NEVER IMPLIED HWY people are over paid . I just pointed out averages are not starting paus and benefits are gotten by collective bargaining BOB M for which you are elated has been broken.
DeleteBut you keep telling yourself and others how much you appreciate the people who work for the town. -
Really........And what is the average a LOT. Shouldn't our payscale be awesome since our employees are all represented by Unions? C'mon, if our payscales are so low isn't it the unions fault for poor representation. Isn't that what the dues are for?
DeleteSo you believe our Union represented employee is underpaid and our non union employee is paid well...............
Lets not start the "incoherent" stuff before you look at your own.
DeleteJustsmartenuff wrote:
"I just pointed out averages are not starting paus and benefits are gotten by collective bargaining BOB M for which you are elated has been broken. "
So my question to you after all this discussion is............
DeleteDo you believe as an observant citizen that our employee issues are based on a lack of pay or problems with management?
Good so that is something that I can ask for under public records then perfect ! Thanks .
ReplyDeleteYou sure can..........Here is my half..............
DeleteAfternoon John,
I know this might not be the most pressing issue, but I noticed a BOS meeting pop up today for June 27,2018 and was wondering if it was just an oversite while adding the new Wednesday schedule or were we scheduling a meeting to finally fix our problems........lol
Seriously John, please engage and lead your board to the proper conclusion here before we are short more employees
Management Fellow
DPW Director
Assistant Accountant
Assistant Treasurer/Collector
Fire/Ems
Truck Driver/Operator
Highway Seasonal Help
+ 20-30 vacancies on committees.
I mean Carter wasn't even aware the man he was suppose to be training, his wing man was unhappy with his work status, c'mon, how blind to personnel matters can Carter be. Managing people is the job!
Bob
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Enjoy
No problem I will follow up on this BOB M .
ReplyDeleteI will help.
ReplyDeleteThis is why I don’t get involved with this town - People like BOB M , Mr Bennett et al . Just a frustrating, infuriating endless loop of stupid ( observation again ) . Good Day I must catch the train .
ReplyDeleteBob M2:45 PM
DeleteReally........And what is the average a LOT. Shouldn't our payscale be awesome since our employees are all represented by Unions? C'mon, if our payscales are so low isn't it the unions fault for poor representation. Isn't that what the dues are for?
So you believe our Union represented employee is underpaid and our non union employee is paid well.............
So this is the question that made you run away? Why, because it completely contradicts your original argument? An endless loop in coding is designed to achieve a goal or continue. Just like most debates or conversations among people.
I understand its difficult to justify a flawed concept, but running away to the choo-choo is a new alternative.
Enjoy
Just another big headed union guy who thinks he and other overpaid union guys,are superior to all others.
ReplyDeleteJust might be "Ordinary r"
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