Elected or appointed - two different views.
Yes - from a selectmen -
Nancy Maloney, member of the West Bridgewater Board of Selectmen
"My personal opinion is that town finance committee members should be elected. Presently, our Finance Committee in West Bridgewater is chosen by vote of a committee appointed by the town moderator. I mean no disrespect to our moderator, the nominating committee, or members of the Finance Committee, but this method of appointment can lead to individual bias as a factor in the decision and decreased accessibility and accountability to the public. Holding an election to appoint those desiring to serve in this capacity promotes transparency, civic participation, and integrity in leadership, all desirable qualities in a democratic society.
I am a firm believer in the democratic process, where all people have a vote that truly does count. This occurs in an election. As more boards, committees, and other posts are elected, the role of the individual taxpayer is increased as is the accountability attributed to those elected positions. Additionally, elected positions are highly visible and encourage community participation. It is an opportunity for more residents to have a say in how their hometown is run and how their tax dollars are allocated. Nowhere does that count more than in a small community, such as West Bridgewater, striving to meet the demands of 21st-century governing.
The Finance Committee is charged with providing recommendations regarding the town’s budget, and serves in an advisory capacity on a volunteer basis. Given the time and commitment needed to present an annual budget to the town, Finance Committee members are a critical part of the process and necessary for fiscal stability in providing services.
Undergoing an electoral process, which at times can be grueling and hard-fought, ensures that these individuals are committed to serving the people, are passionate about bettering the town, and have the experience, professional training, and education to effectively perform their duties. It also makes their actions and decisions directly accountable to the people. For these reasons, I believe they should be elected by the townspeople, especially so voters can further engage with their local leadership to create towns in which they are proud and happy to live and in which they have an active, highly important role."
No - from a Finance Committee member-
Eric Beckerman, chairman of the Avon Finance Committee and second vice president of the Massachusetts Association of Town Finance Committees.
Finance committees are charged with the responsibility to recommend budgetary and financial issues to town meeting. I believe that this responsibility should be free of any political pressures and therefore should be given to citizens appointed by whatever authority is mandated by town meeting and\or the bylaws of the town.
When finance committees are appointed – which is the case in the vast majority of Massachusetts towns – their responsibility is to the people of the town and not to any political party or pressures associated with the election process. I believe in our election system as a whole, but I feel that there are times that decisions are made based on political viewpoints and\or popularity and not always on what’s best for the fiscal health of the community. Being an appointed board allows the freedom to ask any and all questions on behalf of the people without the worries of politics or election repercussions. It also places the finance committee on a level playing field with the town leaders due to the fact that, like them, we are accountable directly to the people of the town.
In my experience of being involved in the process, I have learned that with a strong, appointed finance committee, there is a trust factor with the people that cannot be overlooked or minimized. The people of the town deserve to have a strong voice regardless of their political affiliations and rely on the finance committee to act as a watchdog group. This ensures that the financial issues they care about are accounted for in the process and voiced, if needed.
While an appointed board may not have the same responsibilities as an elected one, the mandate is still fairly consistent. Finance committees as a whole have a heavy burden to learn the municipal finance process and apply these rules as required. Between the various budgets and differences in philosophy, this can be a cumbersome and very confusing process.
Members of the community who volunteer to serve their town in this capacity, either appointed or elected, should be commended for their commitment and dedication to the town they call home.
I know one thing for sure, being on the Advisory Committee is a demanding job. As a member, you donate a good share of your time, and have to keep up to speed on the different facets of your town government's needs in relationship to the revenue the town requires to thrive. After all of this, all we can do is advise. There have been years that the number of people interested in being on the committee was was unrealistic, because the membership numbers were not stable. I have the number of members and the years in my paperwork. I will try to find find the information and post it here.
ReplyDeleteDespair shows us the limit of our imagination. Imaginations shared create collaboration, collaboration creates community, and community inspires social change. ~ Terry Tempest Williams
ReplyDelete““This American Life” did a segment portraying Springs citizens as the ultimate anti-tax zealots, willing to pay $125 in a new “Adopt a Streetlight” program to illuminate their own neighborhoods, but not willing to spend the same to do so for the entire city. “I’ll take care of mine” was the gist of what one council member heard from a resident when she confronted him with this fact.”
ReplyDeleteImagination doesn't do a thing in government. Except think of more ways to tax.
ReplyDeleteImaginitive framing and framing through evidence mutually reinforce each other. I would also say that people here often ask why people in town don’t participate. I would say because of comments like Anonymous 7:48 and others who fan the flames of division.
ReplyDeleteYou sound like a poorly educated individual who definitely has no skin in the game. Go buy yourself another DD coffee.
ReplyDeleteThankyou for proving my point Anonymous 8:04AM.
ReplyDeleteI pulled off your hat?
ReplyDeleteAnonymous 8:19AM - Again, why would someone want to come to a meeting never mind put ones self in the public sphere. This and other blogs under the administration of the members of committees with what should be based on open, inclusive and collaborative fact based discussions with community volunteers attracts these type vitriolic comments. What you sow is what you reap.
ReplyDeleteWhat makes you think that Anon 804's reaping discord is not their goal? How else will those in power, keep power.
DeleteAnonymous 11:17AM I am in agreement with you as their is not a lot of explanation for such a comment ( anon 8:04am) other than to be disruptive and abrasive.
DeletePart of our work is to learn who is is willing to lead the civic restoration in this community, and then help support them as they do.
ReplyDeleteThe real problem is that people, someone who is expecting to be a Administrative Assistant, or a new Selectmen, usually had no idea of what the town has as a track record. They do not bother to look backward to see what they are doing is the same dam thing that has been done over and over, but expect better results. For years this town had a building moratorium. That was because the town did not have the infrastructure to support a larger community. (It is obvious to me we still do not.) Mr. Markel whom most of you remember found this town in a financial deficit. He was blindsided when he realized, the deficit was much bigger than he had knowledge of. He did describe it as "eye popping" ! What did this man do before he left as soon as he could ? He handed out raises, some really big raises,(I would call eye popping), even thou there was no money for them. In my opinion during this time the person we had as a treasurer did not do her job, but he did not let her go. This cost us our reputation with other communities, and added to the cost of the audits. Somewhere around $300,000. was the last amt. I have seen. Our audits were not done for four years !! I do blame the DOR representative along with the administrative people we had along the way. We depend on state aid, really depend on it, because there is nothing else for revenue for this town to depend on. If the state cuts aid to towns, as it has in the past, then the only recourse will be to lay people off again. Around and around we go, when it stops, no body knows !!
DeleteI read the blog about the woman worrying about her grandmother loosing her meals on wheels. One thing she should ask herself is, if gram. has her own home like many of our elderly residents, how on earth is she going to afford to live here once the school comes in, on top of money for the police station, when that happens, and now a override. The State report showed the forecast is for the town to be largely a older population. Time will tell. Bev.
DeleteI have to challenge you Bev in your stats of the demographics and perhaps income of Templeton. Can you please provide the most current ( available or close to it ) data to support a “ largely older “ population I’m not sure what that means what age group are you referring to ?
ReplyDeleteI have the utmost concern for senior citizens and that’s why I fully support the tax circuit breakers and “ work off “ programs for those who are physically able to do so. Those who have no family, perhaps rely even more on the very services such as meals on wheels than those who can perhaps fill out for tax abatement or work off tax debt.
Those "work off programs are valuable, but the at risk people are the elderly who are just over the line, broke but not broke enough. As a Senior Citizen, the problem is with the older people, women did not make much money in most instances. People could work part time, and get no benefits. Living on a fixed income makes it impossible to make ends meet today.
DeleteWhich is why cutting the programs for the most needy and vulnerable as well as the young who will be those you count on later in life perhaps with civic duties is not the place to look to get out of a financial situation. Respectfully
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ReplyDeleteAccording to the Templeton Master Plan
http://www.templeton1.org/sites/templetonma/files/file/file/town_of_templeton_draft_master_plan_.pdf
page 36 the fastest growing segment of our population is 45-54 yr old who move here for lower taxes.
The median age in Templeton is 41 which has been increasing.
The info is a little dated
How dated ? If I may inquire. As I know the Master Plan has been 10 years in the making.
ReplyDeleteI see th draft - I assume it was adopted?
ReplyDeleteI also see 2000 -2010 - as in federal census
I assume there is more up to date demographics correct ? - perhaps some board or committee should have added * addendums to more accurately show the changing demographics of this town/area.
NO Name,
ReplyDeletePerhaps you could spend some of your time searching for this information and supplying it to us rather than asking bloggers to do your research for you?
Perhaps once you find the data you can supply it to the Planning board, or TA to see if they can abide by your addendum ideas.........
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ReplyDeleteDonahue Institute at UMASS does projections for all Mass. cities and towns. Go to spreadsheet "age sex details". It is setup by town. Shows 2010 census results and projections for each age group to 2035. It's an excel workbook that you can download. Older ages projected to be where the growth is.
ReplyDeletehttp://pep.donahue-institute.org/
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DeleteSorry for removing my comment which is Templeton only ... as worc county ... Phillipston ( reg such dis) is in Franklin county on this link from UMASS ... pg 33 of 77 “
Delete“On the positive side, ACS migration data from 2007 to 2011 suggests that the region tends to attract, on net, persons in their later twenties and thirties (Figure 3.3f). These cohorts bring their children with them and also contribute to the number of births in the region. Future projections assume that the region will continue to attract a steady stream of these young families. Accordingly, the number of births is expected to hold fairly steady over the next twenty-five years, hovering around 38,000 for each of the fiveyear increments from 2020 through 2035. Home to several large colleges and universities, the Central region is also a net importer of persons in the 15- 19 age group although many in this cohort leave the region following graduation, as suggested by net negative out-migration among those in their early twenties. The region also appears to be a relatively attractive destination for some of the elderly cohorts. ”
-Sorry Typos
ReplyDeleteI’m sorry I thought you perhaps would know. I didnot intend to be disrespectful as I see a lot of comments from some including you I presume that provide voluminous links to bolster their comments. But I will provide that here and to the people you recommended.
As was mentioned here several times I believe - perhaps the reason again people don’t join or show up at meetings is because of a lack of civility.
* looking at the most recent I can find 2016 looks like the median age is now : 43 ; and largest demo : 45-54 at 17%
https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?src=CF
No Name,
DeleteI agree with the comment regarding civility. I to get offended when someone states "perhaps some board or committee should have added * addendums to more accurately show the changing demographics of this town/area" while not having any evidence to show a change.
The details I presented from the outdated master plan are almost identical to the updated "changed demographics" you reported later. Why did you choose to slam a volunteer board or committee insinuating they should do something. Just maybe this is why people dont volunteer for boards and committees????
Bob , you are correct. I should have not said that and I am sorry. I need to practice what I preach.
DeleteRespectfully
It's tough, I know. These decisions affect people lives in big ways. I do not take the concept of loosing ALS, or limiting Meals on Wheels funding lightly nor do I think most in town do either.
DeleteI do understand why the TA/BOS would put those things up to the public as cuts. If you or I was trying to maintain services in an increase the budget we to would put up the services most likely to be supported by the largest number of voters.
Getting back to the Demographics, that link was interesting. Am I wrong or does the prediction show a decrease in school age children and an increase in senior/elderly?
http://www.pep.donahue-institute.org then go to odownloads on right hand side. Age/sex details.
Interesting, thanks for suppling the info.
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DeleteThe TA / BOS are strategic and well that is the biggest pot of money ( ALS - as he stated ).
DeleteJust like in any election to get out the vote one always try to have an article to pull people in that is a social - family - or environmental concern.
I don’t think that is a bad thing however.
Bob. Could you help an older person out an tell me what page on that pdf you are referring to as the counties are broken down ( p 33. Is templeton worc county ). Thanks
DeleteSorry I meant of 34 of 77 in UMASS pdf
DeleteOf 37 ( pdf UMASS study )
Delete“ Figure 3.3h below shows the Central region population by age at 2000, 2010 and then projected at five-year intervals through 2035, demonstrating how the population ages forward through the time-series. Because it is a college region, the number of 15-19 and 20-24 year olds is more or less maintained as other population peaks age forward over time. “
** of course This study does not reflect just Templeton. So this census does have just Templeton (2016 ) https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?src=CF
The town of Templeton has more soul searching to do. The people have access to information if they chose to become educated. Just in this page alone today I have found insightful links that lead to other links with even more information. There is no shortage of people who want to see this town succeed I being one of them.
ReplyDeleteI hope that people read and listen and come out to town meetings and if they cannot to email and call. Every voice should matter making policy decisions and every vote will count on the town meeting floor.
To become civically engaged and try to expand excitement (?) in serving the Town perhaps its best to start with the youth ...Thats why it’s hard to teach an old dog new tricks. Not saying to give up on those like myself ( I’m old ) but to try to change ones ideological bent is a tough slog if not almost fruitless task.
Youth is not the font of knowledge. They lack wisdom, the wisdom that comes with experience.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous 1:56 PM. - I didnot write that the youth are a font of knowledge. I’m not sure if your age but that statement by you shows no wisdom either.
DeleteNo name - you post a bunch of meaningless drivel. Don't try to type so "smart" - use plain language that you are comfortable with.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous 3:07 PM I’m sorry you seem to be having a hard time with what I can only guess is reading comprehension. I have not used words too big as I myself only completed High School.
ReplyDelete^ thats funny No Name . Glad to see your posts and I’m glad I checked in on this blog today .
DeleteNo name - I said you use what you think is "smart" language. It certainly is not smart. And it is pretty much nonsense.
ReplyDeleteSowing discord again 'I see.
DeleteAnonymous 1:56. My grandmother had a saying, "You can't put a old head on young shoulders." Over the years I have seen and learned a lot from experience. I have sat in town meeting to hear how something was to cost a amt of money. No one asked for now long ? No one asked how many years ! Fourth years is a long time. No one asked what the interest was going to be ? The school of hard knocks is not a good school, and blind Faith in anyone does not pay !
DeleteSorry, I did mean fourth years ! Good old USDA Loans.
DeleteBev, I appreciate your civic work as well as others over the past years. I know how hard you have worked. I don’t want to take anything away from that I don’t. I just don’t know if there is anything that could ease your deep concern that the town is never going to be able to move ahead wisely.
DeleteThere has been progress. Slow but steady even in your committee as I heard you say. So I have faith that with the elders of town and the not so elders that common ground will be found.
We have a strong senator and rep in this district that I feel have shown they are working together with our federal delegation to help our district out. For that and a lot of other reasons, like the small shops to farms and farmers. We have no choice but to work together. - Respectfully
Anonymous 3:49pm - please ( I’m using the smallest words I know ) tell me what big words I have used ( I will try to make them smaller ) Also please give me an example of this “ nonsense “ Ok ?
ReplyDeleteOk, enough ! Get out your dictionary !
ReplyDeleteWill do ! thanks for the laugh Bev ... like I said I’m a HS graduate. I like to read a lot and try to pay attention to current events. If I offended someone by saying something that was misunderstood or even as Bob pointed out earlier a comment that was not needed I have no problems apologizing.
DeleteFor the people who are new to the political world, or are finally paying attention. There is a very good blog on Pauly's Templeton Watch, you must read if you want to have a better understanding of why our town is in debt. Remember Knowledge is power. It is Sunday March 11. Before you hire an OPM.
ReplyDeleteHello , I just read that and if not mistaken it says shall pay a sum not exceeding $125,600. Seems to me the town is trying to frame a budget as to cost. If over that amount it’s subject to the owner of building which is of course the town. Correct ? If I’m wrong let me know .
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DeleteSeems to be placing the OPM budget right at about 6% of the previous bids of $2.133 million.
My concern is that we the taxpayer would be paying monies prior to having the ability (as in town meeting vote) to fund the entire project. I was assured by Carter ", I can tell you that we are not using tax levy monies for this portion of the OPM work."
Bob , you are correct that is the amount . Thankyou !
ReplyDeleteMay I inquire as to if that is an article that was to be on the town warrant ( as in front of towns people for a vote ) was this added to the warrant if you know ? I don’t see the video of 3.12 meeting so that’s why I ask ( not because I don’t want to research ) . Thankyou
ReplyDeleteLOL,
ReplyDeleteIt's my understanding that it will be before the voters to increase the funding type, length, etc
I've been looking for the meeting to but think the snow slowed the uploading......
Snow snow and more snow next week too !
ReplyDeleteMaybe they are snowed in their own building ?
ReplyDeleteThis snow isn't doing the budget any favors either.I wonder how DPW's equipment held up this storm?
ReplyDeleteDuct tape and wire will need to be appropriated I suspect.
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